Witness Brian Higgins reads “flirty” texts with Karen Read at murder trial

Brief summary

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The defendant reached out to the witness and they engaged in extensive text communications from January 12th to January 29th. During this time, the defendant expressed romantic interest in the witness and they discussed the defendant’s relationship issues with her boyfriend John. The defendant kissed the witness when he was leaving John’s house one night. The witness was unsure of the defendant’s intentions and repeatedly asked her why she had reached out to him. Ultimately, on January 29th, the defendant informed the witness that John had died. After receiving this message, the witness did not have any further communication with the defendant.

Main Body

00:00:00

So again, I’m in the blue bubbles. Did you try those spin-off screwdrivers? I stopped at the Hilly for one last night. I said, haha, how did you get my digits? The defendant responded, ‘The Melissa and Leto show.’ I said, haha, I thought you creeped John’s phone. I said, haha, again. The defendant responded, ‘No way.’ I was the last person in Greater Canton who didn’t have your number. I think even Kerry has it. I responded, ‘What?’ with a bunch of question marks. I said, ‘I just don’t give my personal number out to anyone.’ How would Kerry have my number with a bunch of question marks? And the defendant responded, ‘Melissa had it.’ As far as in those communications, the reference the defendant makes to the Melissa Alito show, do you know what that means? The two individuals that I also know from the hillside. And the Kerry person that she refers to, do you know who that is? I believe that’s Kerry Curran, Chris Curran’s wife.

00:01:20

Now, if I could direct your attention to page 9.

00:01:28

And again,

00:01:36

sir, if you could read from page 9 as far as that conversation goes and just indicate whom is speaking at different points. Okay, so the defendant said, I’d prefer Weed Whacker. I responded, that’s the thing about nicknames. Defendant said we were tossing around the idea of a short vacation with the current show, wanted to see if you were game. I responded, ‘You don’t have a say’ and I believe I was referring to nicknames. And I said ‘vacation’, where defendant responded, ‘I know they need to happen organically I’m the Queen of Nicknames, was just going to rent a beach house and I believe it was supposed to say Fort Lauderdale, it’s abbreviated, something quick and easy. I said, ‘Hmm’. Defendant responded, ‘I’m the Queen of AKs, too.

00:02:27

Always a good time.’ I responded, ‘I’m going to Nashville next month, 19th to 21st, for a benefit. One of our guys got shot in the head. You guys should come.’ And as far as either one of those trips that you were discussing, do you recall any further discussion or any going on any of those trips? Well, I mean, I definitely went to Nashville for that benefit for one of my coworkers. It may have been more a conversation about the Florida trip, but I can’t specifically recall it. Now, sir, if I could direct your attention to page 16, and Ms. Gilman, if I could have that.

00:03:17

And this is on that same date of January 13th, is that correct? I believe so. The date’s not at the top here, but I believe it is. And again, sir, if you could read from that page of communication as far as who was speaking and what was said. So there’s a photograph of somebody with a weed whacker. The defendant said, no, you’re not a creep. I said, nope. She said, you’re kind of a loner. which i used to be i responded no not really i have a ton of buddies but i only let a handful of friends in that i’m tight with so you think you got me figured out and then i typed circle of trust in uh quotes and sir if i could direct your attention to the next page number 17.

00:04:18

And again, sir, if you could read from page 17 as far as what is said and who is talking. So the defendant said, yeah, I said loner, not loser. I assume you know a lot of people, PPL, people abbreviated. You never really can figure anyone out completely. Your dad died when you were young. And I responded, He died in March of 2020. I’m so not a loser, you won’t figure me out lol. Defendant responded, no one, no one is a loser. I just didn’t mean lona to imply friendly, friendless. I’m sorry that Reese, I’m sorry that that’s recent. It wasn’t covet was it? I responded, cancer. Defendant responded, I know you date girls who don’t lock the house behind them and you are private and observant. I’m sorry, what kind?

00:05:16

I responded, long brain kidney and pelvis, how do you know all these things lol? If I could turn your attention to the next page and again, sir, if you could read from that uh in the blue bubbles is it me? I said, you’re funny. Defendant responded, yikes, wow that’s rough Jesus, I’m sorry. We chat a lot at the hillside. I responded, don’t be sorry. Life is hard sometimes. I always figure it out. Then I said, who chats? Question mark. The defendant responded, life is hard, but losing people is the hardest. So I’m sorry. So I’m sorry. We chat. I responded, that’s all you got. We chat. Sure, you’re from Brockton. Spit it out. defendant responded you and i chatted about the girl who kept forgetting to lock the door i said oh she has been out of play like for three months now and then i believe it starts to say out of rotation question mark and then sir if i could direct your attention to page 20.

00:06:40

and again sir if you could read the message I’m in the blue bubbles again. I said, I just got a Saturday invite. The defendant said, did you say yes, question mark? I said, not yet, with a bunch of periods. But did respond. Defendant said, what did you say, Mr. Elusive? I responded, no, I just don’t want to intrude on your couples night. Ha ha, I’m shy. The defendant responded, we prefer to hang out with non-couples. Bob Gallery is probably coming too. Solo will probably do CODS or something. At some point, I’m inviting you. And I said, ha-ha. Now, sir, is that the Saturday night that’s being referenced there? Is that the same night that you had gone over to the home at some point for the Patriots game? Yes.

00:07:33

And if I could direct your attention to the next page, page 21. Yes. And again, if you could read from that, the defendant said, ‘John said Brian’s being wishy-washy.’ Now in quotes, I responded, ‘Haha.’ Did you tell him you texted me? The defendant responded, ‘No,’ and then I gave a thumbs up. Then I said, ‘You cranky now?’ Question mark. Defendant said, ‘Haha.’ No, just stop being so anti-couples. Most couples don’t even like each other. I said, ‘Name a few.’ Defendant said, ‘name a few.’ I don’t know. All of them. Question mark. They all want to hang out with single people. And then I said, ‘hm. Thank you. Sir, if I could direct your attention to page 26.

00:08:38

And, sir, if I could ask you to read from that page.’

00:08:46

In blue is going to be myself again, foul ball. Defendant responded, ‘you stink.’ I said, ‘you suck and you’re double trouble.’ Defendant responded, ‘you’re hot.’ I responded, ‘are you serious or messing with me?’ Defendant responded, ‘no, I’m serious.’ I responded, ‘failing is mutual.’ Is that bad? How long have you thought that? The defendant responded, ‘are you okay driving?’ You don’t want to stay here. I responded back, I’m fine. I have an office at the PD. You didn’t answer the question. And then it starts to say, the defendant said, rather you stay here. And is that, to your memory, when is that sex exchange taking place? In reference to the night that you went over to the O’Keeffe’s house? I believe it was that night.

00:09:45

Now, at Mr. O’Keefe’s house on that particular evening, do you recall how you came into the house? I believe it might have been the front door. And if you know about how long were you at Mr. O’Keeffe’s house that night? I was probably one of the last people to leave, I think. And what, if anything, happened as you were exiting from Mr. O’Keefe’s house that night? So as I was exiting, um, the house it was either through the breezeway or the garage and as we were walking out the defendant planted a kiss on me. Now before you went out that way, um, where was Mr. O’Keefe? Did you say goodbye to him or anything like that? I think I said goodbye to him, uh, he might have been in the bathroom, I’m not 100% positive where he was.

00:10:43

And when you went to leave, which exit from the house were you headed to initially? Well, as I said, I don’t remember exactly if it was the breezeway or the garage; I was starting to walk through. But whichever way I started to exit, the defendant told me to go a different way. And which way did the defendant tell you to go? Well, her way. And I honestly can’t tell you which door that was. It was either the breezeway or the garage. And as you were going out, again, I’m sorry, what happened? The defendant kissed me. And how did she kiss you? Not like a friend. Lip to lip, is that fair to say? Yes. Like a romantic kiss? That’s the way I interpreted it.

00:11:40

And were you still inside the house at the time that this occurred or were you outside the house if you know? Not sure if we had just got to the outside and not it might have I’m not sure if I was it was close proximity to leaving. And what was your reaction to that? I was taken back. Is that something that you were expecting? No. And about how long was it between when that when the defendant kissed you and when you left? Almost immediately. Now, sir, if I could turn your attention back to the exhibit before you on page number 27. Yes. Again, sir, if you could read from that page and who’s speaking. So I’m in the blue bubbles and I said, ‘I wish’, ‘I think you’re messing with me’.

00:12:37

The defendant said, ‘why do you think that?’ I responded, ‘because this is so out of left field. Where did these feelings come from?’ Defendant responded, ‘I just think you’re like me.’ I said, meaning? Defendant said, do you have your own kids? I said, I have no kids. How am I like you? Hello? And defendant responded, ‘Aren’t we alike?’ I said, responded I think so so, why did you get my number and reach out to me and I think the defendant put a question mark on that bubble, I believe or I might have, I don’t know now that conversation as far as you asking her about why she reached out to you how often was that question asked by you through the course of these text communications well The extent of the actual communication via text between the defendant and I was between January 12th and January 29th when John passed.

00:13:47

On the 28th and 29th, the 28th I sent a text as we spoke about before when we were at the waterfall. That text didn’t respond. There was a text sent by the defendant to me the next day. So in that time period between the 12th and the 29th, there was nine days that the defendant and I exchanged text messages. With that being said, those text messages, I don’t believe were every day, consecutive days. There was nine days in between the 12th and the 29th. And so as far as that questioning, as far as posing to her, why did she reach out to you? Was that something that you asked once or more than once? Yeah, I asked it more than once, and during the pendency of this communication, I was basically trying to suss out what the intentions were of the defendant.

00:14:47

Was the defendant interested in me? Was she at the end of her relationship with John? Was she trying to weaponize me against John and put me in the middle? There were numerous things that were going on, and that’s what I was trying to vet out or suss out or whatever you want to call it, but I was having a hard time accepting what was happening. Sir, if I could direct you to the next page, page 28.

00:15:19

And again, sir, if you could read from that page. So I’m in the blue bubbles. Shoot straight with me. Defendant responded, ‘I told you, I just think we’re alike, right?’ A couple of question marks. I responded, ‘yes, agree.’ Now what? Defendant responded, ‘I don’t know.’ I said, ‘um, shouldn’t you know?’ Defendant responded, ‘do you like me?’ I said, ‘yes, from jump.’ Defendant said, ‘when was jump?’ I said, ‘first time I saw you.’ Defendant responded, ‘when was that?’ I said, ‘hmm?’ Hillside for your sure, if I could direct your attention to the next page, 29, if I could ask you to read from that sir, so again, I’m in the blue bubbles hillside for sure when were you interested?

00:16:15

The defendant responded, ‘I don’t know.’ You’re just my type, I responded. ‘You think you can handle me?’ I responded. He thought you were happy, I asked. Question mark. The defendant responded, ‘How do you know if I’m happy?’ I said, ‘I just assumed.’ The defendant responded, ‘Are you hard to handle?’ I may have put a question mark. Then I said, ‘What do you like about me?’ The defendant responded, ‘I just feel like you’re from my neighborhood.’ I said, ‘Yes, yeah, ditto.’ The defendant responded, ‘And I think you’re hot.’ And if I could direct your attention to the next page, page 30. If I could ask you to read from that sir, I’m in the blue bubbles again.

00:17:06

You really think that I have always thought that about you, defendant responded, what I responded, that you’re hot, smart, witty, but I didn’t think you were interested. Defendant responded, ‘Witty.’ I responded, ‘Yeah, meaning quick with a response.’ Tell me why you got my number and reached out to me. Defendant responded, ‘Just thought we were the same slash from the same neighborhood.’ I responded, ‘Are you afraid to say what’s on your mind? What’s in your mind?’ And then I said, ‘On.’ The defendant responded, ‘No, didn’t I? No, didn’t I?’ Question mark. Sir, if I could turn your attention to the next page, 31, and ask you to read from that. I’m glad I’m in the blue bubble again. I’m glad I stopped by. I should have come earlier.

00:18:02

Do you really live in Mansfield? The defendant responded, ‘Yeah, I basically, yeah, I was basically begging you.’ I responded, ‘You don’t have to beg me.’ I meant to say ‘beg.’ The defendant responded, ‘Huh?’ I said, ‘I will give you what you want.’ How are you texting right now? And I said, ‘Uh.’ Leaving me hanging. Defendant responded, ‘No.’ I typed ‘kids’ and then ‘kinda.’ Defendant responded, ‘How am I texting?’ And I began to say, ‘Is everyone asleep?’ As far as the communication from the defendant indicating, ‘Yeah, I was basically begging you,’ what did you take that to mean? That you wanted me to come over? And if I could turn your attention to the next page, 32.

00:19:00

If I could ask you to read from that page as well. So it starts off with the defendant saying, I just just wide awake on my phone. Yes, they are. I said I should have stayed LOL. So now what? Question mark. Defendant said, yes, you should have. I responded that would have been distracting. So now what? So no what? And then I said now. Defendant said, now what what? Question mark. I responded, balls in your court. Defendant said, what do you want? I said, I responded, loaded question. What do you want? Question mark. Defendant responded, I asked you, exclamation point. I in turn said, nope, you initiated this. And if I could turn your attention to the next page, 33. If I could ask you to read from that, sir.

00:20:00

I said, spit it out. I’m in the blue bubbles. The defendant said, hey, we’re single and we don’t have kids. We can do whatever we want. I responded, don’t you have a boyfriend? Question mark. The defendant responded, where are you? Question mark. I said, Canton. The defendant said, where, question mark. I responded, my office is at the PD. Why, why are you going to Mansfield, question mark. The defendant responded, where is that? I said, Canton PD. The defendant said, ‘I have a house there from before I reconnected W. John.’ I responded, ‘Oh, I feel like you’re not really saying what’s on your mind.’ If I could turn your attention to the next page, 34, and ask you to read from that, sir. The defendant starts off and says, ‘Do you like me?’ question mark.

00:20:56

I responded, ‘Yes, clearly.’ The defendant said, ‘Come over my house.’ I responded, ‘When?’ question mark. The defendant said, ‘When works for you?’ I said, ‘Whoever,’ and then ‘Whenever,’ when works for you?’ question mark. The defendant said, ‘I asked you first.’ I responded, ‘I think you’re messing with me.’ The defendant said, ‘I’m glad you came over tonight with some type of face.’ I responded, me too. Ball’s in your court. What do you want, Karen? You look great tonight. If I could direct your attention to the next page, 35. The last or second to last blue bubble… uh, starting with ‘Are you glad’? Yes, I said. I’m in the blue bubble; I said, ‘Are you glad?’ You walked me out?

00:22:02

Question mark. And what did she respond? The defendant said, um, yes; with like a semicolon, you know. And I some type of a mark there… Are you question mark? And I said, ‘Def’ for definitely. And if I could direct your attention to the next page, 36, and if you could please read from that so at the top, I’m in the blue bubbles; it says yes, and then I said, ‘Are you going home tonight or tomorrow?’ m defendant texted we kissed comma right question mark so then i put a question mark on her question and said is this a trick question defendant said i don’t know when i’m going home i’m selling my house with what i think is a smiley face what a what a trick question and a couple of question marks i responded are you moving to canton i’m following your lead with this

00:23:08

the fennet responded i live here but i have property in m field i’m guessing it’s medfield the fennet said why my lead i don’t want any responsibility i responded you started this right question mark why did you get my number and and it says each out to me it meant to say reach out to me i then said still have not told me and sir if i could Director, attention to the next page, 37, and ask you to read from that. Defendant said, sorry, should I not have? I responded, I’m fine with it. Just don’t know why you can’t answer. Defendant said, you’re mad at me? I said, OMG, no, not at all. You’re being silly. Defendant said, I told you, exclamation point. I just think you’re like me, and I’m attracted to you.

00:24:03

And then she said, a lot. I responded, feeling is mutual, I just never saw this coming. The defendant said, why? I responded, because I just assumed you were happy with your situation. The defendant responded, I was, but things have deteriorated. And if I could direct your attention to the next page, 38, and ask you to read from that, sir. I said, why? How so? What did Melissa say when you asked for my number? The defendant responded, it is very, very complicated. He and I dated when we were kids and then his sister died and everything got fucked up. I responded, he seems very into you. The defendant responded, I just told Melissa that I had your number but lost it. I said, that’s cute. She wasn’t suspicious? The defendant responded, no, she’s great.

00:24:59

I responded, does she know you like me, question mark. The defendant responded, she’s a sweetie, we just agreed, you are great, with another smiley type face. And sir, if I could direct your attention to page 40. I’m going to ask you to read from that. The defendant said, yeah, but where is that? I have. Had all my here for a couple years in my house, has been vacant but I’d like to get closer to the water. I responded, ‘Are you breaking up or staying together?’ Defendant responded, ‘I don’t know.’ He hooked up with another girl on vacation. I’m very close to his niece; it is a friend; it is a very upset situation. I responded, ‘When was that and how did you find out? He hooked up?’ Question mark.

00:25:54

I don’t want to complicate your situation. Defendant responded, ‘We went out; we went away for New Year’s, the four of us.’ I put the kids to bed and found him in the lobby of our hotel all over one of our friends; whatever it doesn’t matter. I responded, ‘It does matter now as far as that indication that she made to you either through text communications or in person.’ Did she indicate at any point in time where that occurred? So there was an occasion that the defendant stopped at my house and again the conversation that took place at my house. Was in relation to again discussing out and trying to figure out if this was what everything that I stated before like was this legitimate, was she seriously interested in me, was she at the end of her relationship with John, and during that there was touch on that topic and I became to realize.

00:26:52

It was my understanding at that point that this incident took place in Aruba on New Year’s Eve, based off the text messages and the conversation at my residence. This was something that she brought up not only in the text communications with you, but in person and communication with you as well. Yes. I mean, outside of being over there for the game, there was only one time that the defendant and I ever interacted on a one-on-one basis. If I could direct your attention to the next page 41 and ask you to read from that. So I’m in the blue bubbles and I said, did they bang? Question mark. The defendant responded, does that matter? Question mark. I said, sorry, I was just asking. I was just trying to figure shit out.

00:27:41

Defendant responded, it doesn’t really matter. I said, okay, I won’t ask again. Defendant said, I don’t care with a smiley face. It doesn’t matter. I said, I responded back, okay, hear you loud and clear, Karen. The defendant responded, okay. I responded, why are you getting your thing all twisted up over simple questions? And then I typed thong. The defendant responded, I’m not, I am, question mark. I responded, you’re kind of getting defensive. Defendant responded, not at all, with an exclamation point. Thank you, sir. If I could direct your attention to page 46. I ask you to read from that.

00:28:43

Defendant is in gray. She said, We did kiss earlier, comma, no, with an exclamation point. I responded in blue bubble, I think you initiated that, no, question mark. Defendant said, yep, do I owe you an apology, question mark. I said, OMG, no, why are you being sensitive? Defendant responded, ‘I’m not.’ I responded, ‘kinda.’ Is a P in a FFT, never, responded by the defendant. What do you want from me, question mark? I responded, ‘What’s on the table, question mark?’ Defendant said, ‘What do you want ideally, question mark I responded, ‘The real deal.’ Defendant responded, ‘It doesn’t exist

00:29:47

If I could direct your attention to page 57, sir. And ask you to read from that.

00:30:04

It starts off in blue. I said, ‘I can go to any base, but usually Hanscom and Bedford are down to the Cape.’ Defendant responded, ‘Which base down the Cape? Which branch?’ I said, ‘armies’, army, defendant said, ‘I’m not abnormally sensitive i responded, ‘joint base Cape Cod’, oh, i won’t be so hard on you, defendant responded, ‘omg’, you’re not, you called me trouble that makes me sound bad i responded, ‘i was just playing with you defendant responded, ‘you weren’t but that’s okay, i responded, ‘stop being sensitive, please defendant responded, ‘i’m not Now, sir, in reference, in that page of text communications, you made reference to a base down the Cape. Is that right? Yes. And where is that in relation to where you live in Barsville County?

00:30:58

So I can utilize one of the gates to get onto the base. I can get fuel. I can shop. I then can hit the Bourne Bridge, and I would use that as a cut-through at the time when I was splitting my time between two different properties. Is there also like a duty-free shop there? There is, yes. And at some point throughout the course of the text communications, did you offer to pick something up for the defendant from that shop? I believe so. If I could direct your attention to page 60.

00:31:38

And ask you to read from that, sir. Defendant said, ‘I don’t know, question mark.’ It’s an old colonial. It has a lot of bedrooms with kind of an emoji. I responded, ‘More than you clearly need.’ Are you moving to Canton? Defendant said, ‘I know, seriously. Some rooms I only go into dust. Not anytime soon.’ I’m there most of the time, but sometimes it’s a lot. I responded, a lot why? Question mark. The defendant responded. I then said, ‘Do you even know what you want question mark or who question mark. The defendant responded because I went from being solo to trying to give attention to kids who aren’t mine and I never wanted kids. I responded, ‘I thought you were happy in this.’ I thought you were in this happy relationship.

00:32:33

The defendant responded, ‘Everyone is happy at the Hillside’ if I could direct your attention to the next page 61 and ask you to read from that. So it starts off with the defendant. It said, everyone is happy at the hillside. I responded, Oh, God, you avoid things. Defendant responded, It’s just very, very complicated, dynamic with the four of us. He isn’t cut out for what he’s doing, and the kids present constant issues. I responded, I think he believes he is doing the right thing. Defendant responded, Well, of course he is, but his heart isn’t in it. It’s only because he was very, very close to his sister. I responded back, I know how you feel, kinda. I was married, and when I met her, she had a two-and-a-half-year-old.

00:33:27

I went from being single to being a dad. It’s hard. Then I said, I’m divorced since 2017 and have no kids. If I could ask you to turn to the next page, 62, and ask you to read from that, sir. I said, ‘I’m divorced since 2017, and I have no kids.’ The defendant responded, ‘I try very hard, but they are very spoiled, and they’re not my family.’ My parents keep telling me I’d feel differently if they were mine or my own sisters. Then I told you he got drunk and sloppy on NYE while we were away, and that has really affected me. I responded, ‘What did he exactly do?’ Defendant responded, ‘I never got married’ and now somehow I’m arguing with someone about raising quick kids with an emoji.

00:34:21

I responded, ‘Why don’t you tell me?’ ? Defendant responded, ‘He was a puddle all day and then disappeared’ then i found him ‘all over our friend’s sister in the lobby of our hotel’ and she’s ‘gross’, which I think may actually be worse, not sure. I responded, ‘Oh god, did they bang I can ask you to turn to the next page, Sarah, page 63, if you could read from that. I’m in the blue. I said, ‘Did they bang?’ The defendant said, ‘So I was the kid celebrating New Year’s W, I think it’s without him, which shouldn’t be my role. No, I doubt it.’ He was a mess. I said, ‘Hmm, was it the first time with her, or do you think there were others?’ The defendant responded, ‘I don’t really think there were others.’ I’m with him all the time.

00:35:17

He never seems to want to go anywhere without me. But honestly, the issues with the kids bother me more than him actually cheating. They are constant, and it feels like a lose-lose. I responded, ‘Hmm?’ You clearly have a lot of feelings swirling inside you. The defendant responded, ‘Yeah, it’s very complicated.’ Sorry for the rant. I responded, or began to respond, ‘You can vent, babe.’ If I could turn your attention to the next page, 64, asking to read from that, sir. The defendant said, ‘Basically, I just feel like I spread myself too thin, and sometimes it’s thankless.’ I responded, ‘Hmm?’ Defendant responded, you probably felt that way, too. I responded, I did at times. It was one, not two, thankfully. The defendant responded, Want to grab a drink?

00:36:14

I responded, If you gave me some notice, I could have. The defendant responded, You in capital letters said you were adaptable. I responded, I am, but I have my work truck with me and not my personal. Do you get angry when you don’t get your way? The defendant responded, That sounds like an excuse. I rarely get my way. Now, as far as her invitation, Is that something that occurred on one time or more than one time? I believe it was more than one time. And at any point in time other than the two you’ve already recounted as far as going over to Mr. O’Keefe’s house for the football game or the defendant stopping by your apartment in West Roxbury, were there any other occasions you went out over the defendant’s house or out with the defendant by yourself? No, never. And, sir, if I could direct your attention to page 74.

00:37:21

The defendant said, ‘Are you single?’ I responded, ‘Yes.’ The defendant said, ‘I don’t think it’s out of left field.’ Wasn’t I already begging you to come over last Saturday? I responded, you getting my number from Melissa and reaching out to me question mark defendant said, and on vacay and probably a few other occasions I responded, you didn’t it should say you didn’t really beg the fennet said I asked at least twice how do people usually reach out to each other question mark question mark I responded why would I have thought you had any interest in me question mark um Usually do it when they do live with someone, and then I said, do not do it. The defendant responded, maybe, maybe not. Thank you, sir. If I could direct you to page 77

00:38:29

and ask you to read from that, sir. I said I could go on and on but I do not want to pump it should say you’re up too much. The defendant responded, ‘Thanks for saying that, but low comps at the hillside.’ I responded, ‘You know how to ruin something nice.’ I frequent other places. The defendant responded, ‘John has showed me about five times the ring video of me walking you out Saturday. In my voice in my accent are killing me softly with an emoji of somebody throwing up I responded, ‘Um what defendant responded, ‘Yeah he has cameras everywhere. You cops with another emoji. I responded, ‘Jesus.’ The defendant said, ‘He’s like Christ. Are you guys hooking up ❓❓’ and I started this. I said OMG great!

00:39:32

If I could turn your attention to the next page, 78, sir. I responded, ‘I don’t need drama, dude.’ The defendant said, no, it’s fine. I responded, seriously? The defendant said, I’m serious with an exclamation point. I said, you legit planted one on me. The defendant responded, I know where the cameras are anyway, duh. was omg bruins with an emoji after that i responded so your slick move isn’t on there with some question marks defendant responded course not i responded oh my god and then i said i almost an emoji with somebody throwing up defendant responded it was a peck anyway i kissed kerry and gay jeff too i responded yeah weak i agree

00:40:28

now as far as cameras at mr o’keefe’s house is that something that you were aware was there prior to that conversation with the defendant no not that i recall if i could turn your attention to the next page 79 from that sir defendant said lol funny i responded so now he is jealous of me question mark defendant said no with an exclamation I told you, he likes you a lot. I said, which makes this worse, question mark? The defendant said, you said or did something at the bar last week, and he goes, I like Brian more and more. I responded, I think he’s a good dude, too. The defendant responded, yeah, he is. I responded, funny. What’s your end game? What do you want from me? You will just confuse the, I should say, the shit out of yourself. Because I’m a lot of fun. Now, sir, the one that you’re referring to in those text communications, who is that, just for clarity? John O’Keefe. And if I could direct your attention to page 84. And ask you to read from that page, sir.

00:41:56

I said it was fun. The defendant said, ‘I’ve complimented you today too,’ with a couple of exclamation points and then some type of emoji. I said, ‘And kicked my nuts in.’ The defendant said, ‘OMG, how?’ I responded, ‘If I had more notice, I would have grabbed a drink somewhere, so I’m all set with that.’ And then I said, in quotations, ‘That’s fine, but I am not asking again.’ Defendant said well it was 7 p.m. And I’m super cool, so right now I’m asking again with some type of a I think it’s a smiley face :)… Responding coming to your house would have been bad for the both of us, for starters you wouldn’t have wanted me to leave the spent defendant responded.

00:42:46

Now equals not that sounds good. I responded, that’s trouble. Defendant said, ‘Why?’ question mark. And if I could direct your attention to page 90. ask you read from that sir nine zero nine zero yes the defendant said no i’m busting your chops it’s okay i responded no you’re sent you are sensitive nice try you don’t think if i came over for a drink we would have gotten carried away defendant said you in capital letters said you were adaptable and tons of fun i took that as an invite for an invite and i responded oh okay defendant responded i’m 42 i know what happens when you invite someone over for a drink i responded you’re the master of avoidance so you think i would just give it meant to say give it up defendant responded i i have been I’ve been a lot in my life.

00:43:59

I have a little bit of cop DM mindset and then said, been through. And if I could direct you to the next page, 91, sir. The defendant said, what am I avoiding? I’m not afraid to be direct. I responded, some of my questions, the defendant responded, okay, which? Ask again. I said, nope, tricks are for kids. defendant responded i’m pretty sure we would have hooked up i responded okay defendant said i can’t say that question mark i said of course you can defendant said did i miss any other questions sir question mark probably are you having a drink right now question mark defendant said yeah on my second i said show me what you got and if i could direct your attention to page 99

00:45:00

and ask you to read from that sir defendant said none of that is true exclamation point i’m not talking to other guys and i have issues with john and things are far from perfect you just happen to know about him bc i guess because we all hang out at the same bar i’m sure you talk to other girls that’s what single people do i’m not married neither are you neither is john i responded was that your attempt at a lecture or deductive reasoning question mark what do you want from me question mark defendant said that’s just how i think slash feel you don’t need to approve i’ve already answered that last question a couple times i think i responded i’m not judging you never have never will defendant responded you shouldn’t

00:45:57

i don’t know what your private life is about nor is it my business thank you sir if i can now direct you to page 102 and Ask you to read from now, defendant said ‘my only I’m assuming point is that there’s a difference between being married to someone and dating them. We have no intention of ever getting married. The point of dating is not to get tied down if you’re not confident, you should be in my mind, anyway. The first two but I don’t care too much about the other girl. I responded: ‘Okay’, so he’s cool with you dating other people? Defendant responded: ‘And I’m not. I’m happy per se just realistic that there’s cracks and it’s far from perfect. I doubt it if he’s seeing someone else, I wouldn’t want to know either way. He probably feels the’ same way and you probably feel that way about whoever you hook up with i think that’s normal i responded okay defendant said you don’t agree with me question mark question mark i’d like to direct your attention to page 107

00:47:23

that’s the reason that sir defendant said at a bar question mark i responded i wasn’t suggesting anytime soon i know you’re with your friend i meant my house probably after eight god defendant said probably after eight i said i responded okay if you don’t want Juana, that’s fine. No pressure. The defendant responded, I will a drink. It looks like I tabbed the bubble with a question mark. I then said, ‘What do you drink?’ question mark. Are you out now? question mark. Defendant responded, ‘Sorry, I’ll drink whiskey if that’s what you’re having.’ I responded, ‘Ha ha, send me a pic of you two.’ Now, you had testified earlier about some occasion prior to the 28th when the defendant had come over your house in West Roxbury, correct? Yes.

00:48:28

In this page that you just read, as well as some of the successive pages after that, is that sort of arranging for that to occur after she goes out or leaves from a friend out in Boston? I believe she was out with a friend that night in Boston, a female friend, yes. And that evening when she came over your house, about how long was she there? Not long. And so what happened when she arrived, or what, if anything, did the two of you talk about? It was kind of more of this. It was a kind of a, it wasn’t an interrogation, it was a face-to-face version of trying to suss out and vet, like, what is this all about? Again, I mean, you know, I’m not proud of these text messages.

00:49:09

It is what it is. I take responsibility for them. But, you know, John was a friend at the same time, and I certainly wasn’t. If they were at the end of the relationship, they were at the end of their relationship. But I wasn’t going to have somebody utilize me and weaponize me against somebody that I liked. And it was just a weird experience. I don’t even think either one of us finished a drink. Like I said, it was this type of like, what is this all about? And then she left. I think I might have asked her to text me when she got in so I knew she got home. That evening or at any other point, at any other point in your friendship or your relationship, whatever, however you want to term it, was there any other sort of intimate contact beyond what you’ve described occurring as she walked you out that night and you were over at Mr.

00:50:03

O’Keefe’s house for the Patriots game? Are you asking if she ever kissed me again? I’m asking if there was any kissing, any sexual relationship, anything at all between yourself and the defendant. Absolutely not. In referring to my at my residence when she stopped by it was just – I was very uncomfortable and it’s just an uncomfortable situation, I just a weird vibe that’s the best I can describe it, and lastly, sir. Turning, finally, as it applies to this, turning your attention to the last page, number 118. And there’s a couple different dates from the middle to the bottom of the page is that correct there is I’d like to ask you to start reading from, excuse me, where it says Sunday, January 23rd, 9:40 p. m.

00:50:53

Defendant, so Sunday, January 23rd at 9:40 p. m., defendant texted me, phone works, and then an emoji with arrows going like both ways. And I responded, thought you were all set, question mark. Defendant said, we’re talking, question mark? No. I said, hmm, are you sure? And she didn’t respond. And I believe I said that was it for that for that the 23rd. I’m sorry. So then the next date that any text communication was sent between the two of you would have been Friday, 11:32 p. m. Is that correct? That’s correct. That would have been when we were at the waterfall. And again, what does the text say there? Um, well. That’s from you to her, is that correct? Yes. And then the next excommunication is the following day or Saturday, the 29th at 11:54 a. m., is that correct? Yes. And who is speaking in that communication and what is said? That is the defendant and the defendant said John died. And did you respond to that at all? No. And did you have any other communication with Ms. Reid following receiving that text message on January 29th? No, I have not.

FAQs

  1. ​What was the nature of the relationship between the defendant and the witness?​
    The defendant and the witness engaged in extensive text communications from January 12–29, during which the defendant expressed romantic interest in the witness, discussed her strained relationship with her boyfriend John O’Keeffe, and kissed the witness as he left John’s house. The witness questioned her motives, suspecting she might be using him to “weaponize” against John or test his interest.
  2. ​Why did the witness repeatedly question the defendant’s intentions?​
    The witness was uncertain whether the defendant’s outreach was genuine, fearing she might be manipulating him amid her troubled relationship with John. He asked multiple times why she contacted him, citing inconsistencies in her behavior (e.g., initiating a romantic kiss while still living with John and downplaying it as a “peck” caught on John’s security cameras).​
  3. How did John O’Keeffe’s death impact communication between the defendant and the witness?​
    After the defendant texted the witness on January 29 that “John died,” communication ceased entirely. The witness had no further contact with the defendant, marking the end of their brief, ambiguous relationship.